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# Frank Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Running win98se (with unofficial SP2) on a 800 mhz ibm machine with 512 MB of memory. Surfing the web with Firefox. A fast boot, stability and no frills. What do you want more ?
The only reason i see that this OS was pulled out is because Micro$oft could not make more money when everyone is running multiple machines and paying for only one license.
# Frank Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Please make available an old "full test" so we too can test our win98se…
# 98keeper Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
My 98 is actually 98SE… for you 'techs', that may be the difference, since that minor upgrade was an improvement.
# 98keeper Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Any AVG free users be aware that support for 98 in that antivirus program will be discontinued this year also. Already in effect, based on my experience! Go with AVAST! Free.
# kdre Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Between work and home I work with NT4.0 Server and WS, W2K Server, Server 2003 Std R2, XP, and Vista; THEY ALL HAVE THIER QUIRKS!.
I believe that Microsoft has to bo what GE, Siemens, and other PLC/BAS software writers have done in recent versions, that is the next release, "W7", needs to be a clean break from the PAST! Forget all the backwards compatable code. When you upgrade the "project" there is NO going back without doing a total memory wipe and subsequent reprogramming. Interfacing with the previous version and drivers for epuipment 3-5yrs max should be it. Vista basic can run on computers that were considered outdated (and not just by marketers or gamers)before XP came along, and Office 2007 can work with Word 6.0 docs nice but come on people, this eats speed, which is the primary reason we upgrade. How many NEW cars come with 8-track or cassette decks, I'd bet some of us have these audio media storage units. "Come On" the days of the CD are numbered! So why expect Microsoft, Apple or any other OS provider to make things work with 10,20,or 30yr old technology.
# Bill Ford Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 1:12 am
It sure would be nice to see 98 support. I still have a 386 box on which I use AMIPRO for forms designing. Won't run under 98SE. But then, I also have a WIN95 box still running, a DOS 3.11 machine and you may not believe this, but I still have a running Radio Shack TRS-80 Model ONE in near original shape with a Z-80 processor running at 1.4 mb (yes, as in "one point 4" megabyte) and a 300 baud modem, 48k RAM, four 5.25 inch drives and an original working RS Color Graphics Printer (CGP-115) that uses 4.5" rolled paper and 4-colors. Its actually a "pin-plotter" at best. When I first got my Trash-80, we used a cassette tape recorder to boot the thing and load other "programs" — then TECHNOLOGY advanced to DISK DRIVES, first 14 inch then 5 & a quarters, then double density… .and the advancing TECHNOLOGY story goes on….. all that was before the standard IBM PC box in the early 80s. All this goes back to the days when a 4-banger calculator (+, -, x & /) was the size of a cassette recorder weighing pounds and priced above $400. I finally got smart and quit trying to keep up with technology & the Jones's when my bankroll kept going down and settled into being just an appliance operator using computing to its fullest capability… letting others keep up with the "Jones'" to work out the bugs before "I" splurged for the "latest" technology AFTER the bugs were exterminated.
So, today, I still run my NEWDOS 3 (os) on a Trash-80 (just for fun to play "pong" and the first version of MS's Flight Simulator), a 386 box and a laptop with WIN95, another box with WIN98SE (which I'm on right now) and a gift HP with XP Home. I'm satisfied that at my age of 71 I can do what I do without all the whiz-bang bells 'n whistles everyone else seems to "need".
Speed (and features) cost money. How fast and frequent do you wanna go?
Bill Ford
Joshua Tree CA
# Chuck Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Just a comment for the W98(SE) users who are (or were) having system crashes — it's probably the graphics accelleration. That's preset to max.
Just find where it resides (I've forgotten, now) and slow it down to 1/3, and that should stop the crashes. It did on mine.
# POLLUX Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 4:21 am
Just add two cents worth to my previous comments: Also had Explorer 6 with 98 and XP Pro. No problems with 98 but not so with XP. Kept getting booted off internet, upgraded to Exp 7 but didn't improve. Used Firefox and had much better results. With Vista Ultimate have Exp 7 and works great, never been booted of the net.
Like so many things improved capabilty and versatility makes 98 outdated. If all one did was use it for day-to-day programs like Word/Works, internet and music 98 does fine. But so many other uses for PC now requires OS that has up to date technical ability. Technology is changing and keeping your PC current is extremely important if you want to take full advantage of what a PC can do.
Probably the most important changes you need to really get robust use of Vista (and I would advise Ultimate)is you must improve your video and load up on ram (nothing less than 2gb). Chip speed isn't that crucial, but most people now have at least 1.8ghz and that will do fine. But ram is an absolute essential.
My previous PC had 2.4ghz Pentium and nearly 1gb ram and I never lacked for speed in transferring files from one medium to another, but bought wife a 1.8ghz dual core Pentium with 2gb ram and it was faster and she has XP Media and it really has been a good OS.
But my experience with XP Pro was horrible so bought new PC with dual quad 2.4ghz and 3gb ram and this PC lays your hair back. File transferring or copying from one medium to another is more than fast. Old tasks you didn't like to do because of the time involved is no longer an excuse to delay. Music downloads or copying from CD's is quick - I only use wav format as it has the highest playback quality but it needs more space but its the only format I ever used, even with 98.
Will upgrade wife's computer to Vista Ultimate soon, but even with her computer's capability we will upgrade her video and add another gb of ram.
# BAW30s Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 4:37 am
After depending on Windows 98 for several years, I switched to Windows 2000 sp4 on an HP Pentium 3 machine, 650MHz with 512MB of RAM. I find this stable, quick and considerably more responsive than much more powerful computers I have used set up with XP or Vista. Vista does need at least 1GB of RAM to run reasonably efficiently.
The main problem with Windows 2000 in my experience is that although it has rightly, I believe, been called the most stable version of Windows, the boot process is more fragile than 98's and can be relatively easily disrupted, leaving a machine that either boots very slowly or not at all. It then has no system restore facility to reverse damaging changes easily. I overcome this problem by using Horizon Rollback, a very ingenious program which achieves the same goal as system restore, but offers far more possibilities, including a pre-windows boot screen which allows non-booting systems to be recovered quickly.
Unlike windows 98, Windows 2000 can still be used with all but a few current programs, and hardly ever crashes in use. It was rare for me to reach the end of a 98 session voluntarily! I only wish it were possible to turn off the multiple users facility in 2000 and later systems permanently, though, as for me it is an unnecessary complication.
# rmacqueen Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 6:05 am
I picked up an old P3 last year to use as a music server. Since I was expected to buy another license with XP I dug out my old Windows 95 disc and installed it, downloaded Firefox, did a few updates and now have a highly funtional server. I even found it easier to setup for the network than XP. I think sometimes we are too eager to move on to the latest technology while these old workhorses still have some life left in them.
# LWF Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 9:00 am
For you who talk about running the test on equipment compatible with the OS, it's true that you'd get a better idea of what the OS is capable of. However, that's not the whole story.
I'm a computer repair tech, and I get PCs in every day that were designed for Windows 9.x and that have been upgraded to Windows XP. When the end user complains that it's too slow, I just upgrade the RAM to 512Mb (the majority of the old machines can handle that much), and the problem is solved. That's impossible with Vista. Vista is the first MS OS that -requires- you to buy hardware technology upgrades if you want to unlock its full feature set. If you install it on a machine not designed for it, it runs in crippled mode, and you don't get to use the program features you paid for.
So the question to me is "how does the OS do on the average PC that is owned by my customers?" The answer to that is "it stinks." An OS that needs 1Gb of RAM to run well - and very specific hardware requirements before you can use several of its advertised features - means that it effectively cannot be installed on almost two out of every five computers my customers own. So in that respect, this test was quite valid; it reflected what would happen if existing PC owners installed Vista.
We don't sell Windows Vista at my store. We won't until we have no choice - the day that Windows XP cannot be purchased from distributors and we run out of copies. Like many Microsoft products, it was rushed into production and forced on consumers before it was ready. It requires consumers to either invest in pricey hardware upgrades or buy new computers, so it isn't an option for people who want to upgrade from older Windows installations. It's unreliable. Many of our customers hate the unnecessary changes made to system navigation. In short, Microsoft shoved a product down our throats before it was mature just to make a quick buck.
How typical.
# Steve Sz Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
It seems that Bill G. should have really concentrated on the development of artificial intelligence in computers as this does appear to be his true vocation. Windows is the first truly paranoid schizophrenic OS ever developed.
I really fear for the sanity of computer users the world over when he finally rolls out his next bloated, clinically-insane abomination
# Bevan Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Ok, well I am one of visa's largest detractors and I'm a gamer still running on an AGP card and windows xp professional. But this test is frankly rather silly.
You cant expect a OS designed to run on a contemporary machine to perform well with largely outdated hardware.
Vista has alot of bloat it naturally uses more ram I would even go as far to say that 2gig is the more realistic "minimum requirement"
# Steve Sz Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Bevan, please re-read the test results. All OS were running on up-to-date machines, the blog even says that there were difficulties in getting 98 to use modern hardware - but it still beat Vista.
# drude Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Win98SE was a lovely OS. I had a Win98SE box that would run for weeks without requiring a reboot. So long as you avoided generic no-name hardware Win98SE was super stable. We still use it on half of our office machines and crashes/reboots are very rare with Win98SE on name brand hardware. WinXP, the orignal release that allowed you to be hacked by simply being connected to the internet, was a piece of garbage, but WinXP Pro SP2 is a great OS.
# Stuart Says:
April 14th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Vista is a failure, be it business or home environment. XP, a mess in it's earlier years, is the best Microsoft has produced for the home market, and is a strong OS for small business. However, after many years of computers in general, and Windows from 3.1 (not to mention all those flavors of MS-DOS), I have XP as dual boot for one game, and everything else on Linux. If you need stability from a Microsoft OS, XP is the only way to go. |
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